Wed 27 Aug 2008
No Respect!
Posted by Tim under rattle rubbish, sagacious sulking
It’s not our goal at Rattle to be respected by the poetry establishment. In a way, I’d prefer to be disrespected–we’re poetry of the people, not poetry of the academy, and like any populist movement, we can wear scorn from the elite like a badge of honor. Rattle was founded 15 years ago because it was so hard to find a poetry journal you could sit down and read all the way through without falling asleep. And I think we’re doing a good job at improving the situation.
But still, as much as I like what the Poetry Foundation has been doing lately–though I’m not supposed to admit this as editor of a small press–as much as I think Poetry magazine has improved, as good a job I think the foundation has been doing at making poetry relevant, I still can’t visit the website without getting upset.
Check out their “Around the Web” links page. They list 91 literary magazines. 91. And Rattle isn’t one of them.
We have a higher circulation than all but a handful of those magazines. As I mentioned before, we have a higher circulation than Georgia Review, and Iowa Review. Both of whom are listed. I don’t have circulation data for many of the magazines that are, but I’m sure those are two of the highest. I know APR is much higher. Boston Review, Tinhouse, Threepenny, Triquarterly, VQR, and a few others might beat Rattle. But I’m sure we’re top 10.
Moreover, Rattle is one of the only magazines on that list that’s all poetry. The vast majority fill up their issues with prose. The typical quarterly publishes, what? 15-20 poems per issue? Does McSweeney’s publish any? I thought this was the Poetry Foundation…
Not only do we have a higher circulation and publish more poetry than the vast majority of magazines listed, but we also receive far more submissions. I already mentioned that we read as much poetry as the New Yorker. But check out our page at Duotrope.com. We’ve received 390 submissions from their members in the last 12 months. See if you can find a magazine that’s received more.
So we’re big, and poets are paying attention, but maybe we’re not established? We’re only 15 years old, after all… But wait–dozens of the journals listed are younger, like Coconut, HOW2, Signals, and in the end, far too many to list.
We’ve appeared in Best American Poetry and in the Pushcart Prize anthology. We’ve published new work by the biggest contemporary poets, by Pulitzer Prize winners and Poet Laureates. Our archive of interviews rivals that of the Paris Review. Our archive of current poetry reviews rivals Bookslut. And we’re one of the only literary journals that adds new content to our website every day, via the reader-friendly rss feed.
The Poetry Foundation lists 91 literary journals. And Rattle isn’t one of them. No respect at all!














August 28th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I just went to the Coconut website. It’s layout is a little more casual.
The How2 journal is “Extending HOW(ever)’s original spirit of inquiry into modernist and contemporary innovative writing practice’s by women.”
Signals is a UK journal.
Went to Georgia Review, Iowa Review…
Maybe…contact the Poetry Foundation and ask about Rattle’s omission?
August 28th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Maybe David Alpaugh could check into it and report back with some analysis of the situation? Maybe not in time for the fall newsletter, but here at the blog…
August 28th, 2008 at 11:17 am
You make some compelling points. Perhaps they are doing a better job of lobbying their journals to get on Poetry’s site and other lists? Frankly I had never heard of Rattle (online, in stores, word of mouth) until I saw the ad on Poetry Daily.
I’m sure this has nothing to do with it, but it might be a good time to broach the topic: Has any thought been given to updating the Rattle logo? While I agree with the addage against judging a book (or poetry journal) by its cover, I have to admit that Rattle’s cover logo is among the more amateur-looking (and dated–like early 90s word processing?) logos of all the journals I read. It probably wouldn’t take much to have a graphic artist clean up the logo (particular the “Poetry for the 21st Century” subhead) and thereby modernize the overall package. You could probably find a young designer/poetry enthusiast to do it for free, as another bullet on their Resume and just to see it in print.
Even Poetry finally did away with its monochromatic pictures of alligators etc. and lunged forward to its current cover art, which is admittedly only a slight improvement since each issue is basically a slight variation of the exact same style of “art”–but an improvement nonetheless.
Baby steps…
August 28th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Two Cents–I’m right there with you. I’ve made the same arguments (and I’d probably even eliminate subheading altogether). But it’s not my call. I finally won the fight to update the internal layout with the summer issue — don’t know if you’ve seen it yet — but that was more important to me than the cover font.
I appreciate comments like these…I can use them as ammunition, next time I bring it up. But not only that — just suggestions for improvement in general are always welcome.
Anoth:), the act of omission itself is what’s frustrating, and a reminder that, while we’ve caught on in certain sectors, a lot of people haven’t noticed. I don’t really care much about the link itself…just a drop in the web traffic bucket.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Additionally your post reminds me of the Rodney Dangerfield board game, which I first encountered at a cafe two days ago and had never previously heard of and have not yet played:
http://www.tias.com/13464/PictPage/3923168997.html
August 28th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Yes, I did get that the omission itself was the sticking point
Rattle does have impressive credentials, as outlined in your post.
August 28th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
I wouldn’t get mad, Tim - the PF folks seem pretty responsive if you e-mail them. I think Emily Warn is one of the editors in charge of web stuff, and if you send her an e-mail I’m sure you’ll get Rattle on the list! I think this is a case of squeaky wheels - probably an intern is in charge of the list, and just adds journals as people are reminded of them.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Actually, Jeannine, I did send the webmaster (don’t remember if it was Emily) a note about a year ago, and no one ever replied. I’m sure it’s still just that — not an intentional decision, but just an accidental oversight. I can certainly imagine how busy they all must be. Sending another email would feel too pathetic, so I’ll just grumble pathetically to myself instead…