Comments on: A Real Caricature http://www.timothy-green.org/blog/2009/06/a-real-caricature/ Poetry Editor and Struggling Poet Thu, 08 Dec 2011 00:38:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: makadamian http://www.timothy-green.org/blog/2009/06/a-real-caricature/#comment-583 makadamian Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:39:43 +0000 http://timothy-green.org/blog/?p=838#comment-583 lameness uber. sorry, that's the reason why us real artisan are accused of being a waste of taxpayer dollars. and those you represent, some can't even go to the bathroom without propaganda they are so peter panned out onto themselves. real artists have lives that is why no one listens because they can't make attention whores out of themselves. lameness uber. sorry, that’s the reason why us real artisan are accused of being a waste of taxpayer dollars.

and those you represent, some can’t even go to the bathroom without propaganda they are so peter panned out onto themselves.

real artists have lives that is why no one listens because they can’t make attention whores out of themselves.

]]> By: G. Tod Slone http://www.timothy-green.org/blog/2009/06/a-real-caricature/#comment-582 G. Tod Slone Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:17:46 +0000 http://timothy-green.org/blog/?p=838#comment-582 Democracy: Lesson 149. I'll have to add your wonderfully creative euphemistic phrase for CENSORSHIP: "I turned off the commenting on this post [the Buk post], and deleted the last round of comments. I wanted to let valid objections to my opinion stand, but I was tired of the shouting match, where nothing new was being added." TIM, democracy was meant to be a SHOUTING MATCH, not the arbitrary determination of what are and what are not valid objections. Democracy: Lesson 149.
I’ll have to add your wonderfully creative euphemistic phrase for CENSORSHIP: “I turned off the commenting on this post [the Buk post], and deleted the last round of comments. I wanted to let valid objections to my opinion stand, but I was tired of the shouting match, where nothing new was being added.” TIM, democracy was meant to be a SHOUTING MATCH, not the arbitrary determination of what are and what are not valid objections.

]]> By: Slone http://www.timothy-green.org/blog/2009/06/a-real-caricature/#comment-581 Slone Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:14:31 +0000 http://timothy-green.org/blog/?p=838#comment-581 Well, I’ve been out of town for a month. So, Sandee, if you can’t counterargue with anything intelligent, just call me an ass… whoopee! How easy it is to be an elementary school kid, eh? Actually, Tim, you did write you’d never publish anything by me. If you like, I’ll prove it. No matter. We can all forget now and then. Well, we’re back to this “full of accusations” nonsense again. It’s true that I do have a particular perspective… just like everyone else. So my reviews stem from that perspective. Thanks, though, for your pronounced ouverture. The problem with “good” poem however is that it must be good through your particular perspective… and I doubt I could ever produce one of those. Jim, I think you can do better than label me “bile and rancor.” It’s all back to ad hominem! When you have no counterargument, just call him or what he writes “bile and rancor.” How facile! Oh, my, I’ve got “vitriol and bad form” too! How might I tone down to acceptable literary bourgeois taste and style and form? Perhaps there’s a Pushcart course I could take? Of course I’m not “trying to win anyone over.” That has never been my purpose, nor has acceptable form. Truth, nothing but the truth. Oh, my, “sour grapes” also! I suppose I could call you smarmy sweet grapes… but I’ll resist. Ah, such a small world! So, yes, I vaguely recall your BOASTING about Pushcart. This is actually funny, though sadly so: “Some years ago, my then girlfried and now wife recieved a Pushcart nomination and I wrote a little something about it in my blog to congratulate her. For this heinous crime, this assault on the very face of Democracy, he ridiculed me, my wife, and the Pushcart Prize mercilessly.” I am not standing up for any particular kind of “artist,” Jim. I’m standing up for truth. “For twenty years I have labored in the small presses, seeing more rejections than he will ever know, and remain to this day almost completely unknown.” I guess I could shed a tear here! Jim, what sickens me about you and the poet mob is that nary a one of you has the brains and intellectual courage to even question the nominating process. Who da judges? Who da friends of da judges? Get it? Sadly, you do not. Open wide: Say Pushthecart, then whoopee, I’ve been nominated! “Talent,” Jim, is not an objective phenomenon. It is highly subjective in poetry… just as form and taste and all the other terms used by your ilk to crush valid criticism. This, Jim, is as ignorant as it gets: “But if you want to have an ALL WHITE issue, start your own damn magazine and have one. No one is stopping you. See how many poets show up for it. You can count me out, for one.” Can you not even see the blatantly evident satire in that cartoon cover? Wow. Have they simply soddered PC blinders on to your skull? This too is laden with ignorance, Jim: “Somebody somewhere recognized someone else, rather than Slone, vigorous debater, the cornerstone of Democracy, and so he has to make sure somebody shits on their parade.” If you want to see bitterness: look in the fuckin mirror! I’m not bitter. I’m not even angry. I enjoy what I do, which is why I do it. I am compelled to do it. It’s intellectually stimulating to tear down the vacuous arguments of your ilk. You can’t even understand my take on vigorous debate. All I seek is open doors to all opinions… happy face ones and bitter/angry/pissed off ones too. But you think democracy is only happy-face opinions. So many there are like you! An army of happy face clones seeking happy face recognition with happy face verse. Ugh. Democracy is already dead in America. Jim, your thinking processes are rotten to the core. Is there any hope? Likely not. “It’s not like he’s going anywhere anyway as an artist.” Where the fuck am I supposed to be going? Up on to the Pushthecart stage of happy-face applause. I’m going under the freakin ground like everyone else in due time. That’s all. Dead. Fucking dead. Thus, since we only live once, I prefer to live in the truth as opposed to living in published, prize-winning happy-face fraudulence. That’s the diff between you and me and your wifey. “Unprofessional” also! Whoopee me! But what the hell is professional. Why can’t you question and challenge all of these things you open wide and swallow? Professional means careerism and careerism means not living in the truth. Period. Ah, Tim, nothing like a lifer real estate poet! “Seems like we’d be right up his alley — but no one is,” you state about me. But why make such an asinine unfounded and untrue statement. Contrary to your mindsetted belief, I do have friends and supporters. “I’m not going to make ad hominem attacks, because he’d enjoy that too much,” you state. Should I laugh? You already did and have and cannot seem to do otherwise. Your whole argument is nothingness coated in names. Both of you fellows do not even counter my arguments. All you can focus in on is perceived wrong tone. Sad for you because you cannot think clearly. You’ve likely been taught not to think clearly and honestly. Your careers depend on it! What’s your salary as editor, Tim? You still haven’t responded to that one! This is really laughable: “Race comes up again and again in his writings for no apparent reason.” Mather’s damn right! If anything, race does not come up often in my writings… and that can easily be proven by simply checking the 1500 pages of essays I’ve produced. Want to try, Tim? I don’t even like the subject… it is tedious… thanks to PC. Tim, that’s a good quote, but there’s more to it than “jones.” Look harder. The whole thing is written in black stereotypical jargon. How can you possibly deny it or not even see it? Wow. Mather’s on target and usually is… except of course when he’s lost his cool and battling with me (hahaha). And he’s a lot more in line with my thinking than he stipulates on your site. Or view it as I being a lot more in line with his thinking. Either way. Mather and I both know that we can never convince a PC mindsetted person of anything… and that means you, Tim. Call it “urban,” but heaven fucking forbid you called it BLACK. Christ, what did they do to you out there in California in the schools, man? Tim, you need to lift yourself above the kinds of inane statements you make, as in: “But the real point isn’t in any of that, it’s in the way he latches onto race so immediately and consistently. If the anonymous professor had used a southern “y’all” or an Irish brogue, or a Canadian turn of speech, would Slone have mentioned it? No. Because he doesn’t use Southerner or Irish or Canadian as an epithet.” Again, I tend to avoid the racism issue because I find it a tedious, hackneyed one. “Obsession with race” on my blog? Well, why don’t you count the entries and determine how many of them deal with race. Go ahead, instead of talking horseshit. Do the stats. But you won’t because it’s a hell of a lot easier and lazier to call me names et al. Again, this is sheer horseshit: “Slone doesn’t like the Pushcart anthology, but I like reading it, so who cares? Especially when there’s nothing Slone DOES like.” I like plenty of things and authors and they’re up on my website. How did you get so proficient at saying nothing? It just doesn’t get any more PC and archi-banal than publishing a tribute to African American poets! “Pattern of behavior” my ass, Tim! Prove it. Do the stats! Out of 34 blogs, perhaps two dealt with racism. Is that a pattern? Oh, yeah, I forgot that in the PC mind, one constitutes a pattern! Mather is not defending Slone—horror of horrors!—, he’s defending ideas I’ve put forth. What you should have said, Jim, was Katja, why don’t you question and challenge the hands that feed you, the hands that bind your mouth, ears, and eyes? The stupidity is in your objectifying what must inevitably be subjective: being a good poet. You’ve got a list. Mather comes somewhere after Tim but way ahead of Slone. What nonsense! And by dissing cab drivers, you show yourself to be a bourgeois elitist. I’d take Mather any day over 500 college professors with PhDs. You have virtually made no “points” at all, Jim. What on earth are you talking about? Mather, this is either a blatant lie or an error on your part: “I support Slone sometimes on his blog but he has refused to publish me anymore and we have had several long and ugly fights in the past.” And I can easily prove it. I have not refused to publish you and recently asked you to send something, but you said you hadn’t been writing much. Let’s get the facts straight, fellows! Good poem on the Pushthecart nonsense, Dave! Uh, I heard you’re up to your old censoring impulses, Tim! Do try harder to quell them! Perfectly stated, Mather: “You seem to be so upset because Slone put a quote of yours on his blog to illustrate a point. I’m sorry if you think you’ve been misunderstood, but if you write something and somebody quotes it and you look like an idiot, that’s not my fault. Be more careful of what you say if you’re so sensitive.” Too bad, Sandee, doesn’t seem to have a brain. Perhaps, she has a body? Does she have any ideas at all? Bull-s eye once again, Mather: “I think the quote by you on Slone’s blog is long enough to stand on its own. It’s seventeen sentences for Christ sake! I think you’re just embarrassed, and you know what, Jim? That’s ok…” Mather, why are you sending Rattle $10? It is supported by bourgeois wealth, a foundation paying Tim a secret salary! Now, I’m jealous, Mather! Why didn’t Jim say this about me: “you have all the social skills of homeless person mumbling to himself paranoid rants.” One really has to wonder what the educational system in America has been doing to produce the likes of Tim and Jim: “Or more to the point, don’t ask anyone to sit here and stomach your inane proclamations that you and Slone are the only people capable of free thinking and that you’re a hero standing up against the big bad machine.” Now, when did you and I ever make such a proclamation? These guys just say anything and don’t feel at all obliged to back up their vacuous assertions. They’d be crushed like gnats in a court of law. Sorry, I never heard of Scalzi. Thanks for letting me in on who Hammond is. Jim, get the freakin fact right! I never stated anything RE HB: “You went on to insinuate I was bragging about my Pushcart nominations when I wasn’t, while your American Dissident compatriot was calling me as hysterical as Halle Berry.” Christ. You and Tim would make wonderful scientists! This whole labeling of individuals as racist or non racist is all diversionary… away from truth seeking. Mather’s quite right with that regard. Just call him a racist and that anuls anything he says. How childishly facile. Best to you all. Well, I’ve been out of town for a month. So, Sandee, if you can’t counterargue with anything intelligent, just call me an ass… whoopee! How easy it is to be an elementary school kid, eh? Actually, Tim, you did write you’d never publish anything by me. If you like, I’ll prove it. No matter. We can all forget now and then. Well, we’re back to this “full of accusations” nonsense again. It’s true that I do have a particular perspective… just like everyone else. So my reviews stem from that perspective. Thanks, though, for your pronounced ouverture. The problem with “good” poem however is that it must be good through your particular perspective… and I doubt I could ever produce one of those. Jim, I think you can do better than label me “bile and rancor.” It’s all back to ad hominem! When you have no counterargument, just call him or what he writes “bile and rancor.” How facile! Oh, my, I’ve got “vitriol and bad form” too! How might I tone down to acceptable literary bourgeois taste and style and form? Perhaps there’s a Pushcart course I could take? Of course I’m not “trying to win anyone over.” That has never been my purpose, nor has acceptable form. Truth, nothing but the truth. Oh, my, “sour grapes” also! I suppose I could call you smarmy sweet grapes… but I’ll resist. Ah, such a small world! So, yes, I vaguely recall your BOASTING about Pushcart. This is actually funny, though sadly so: “Some years ago, my then girlfried and now wife recieved a Pushcart nomination and I wrote a little something about it in my blog to congratulate her. For this heinous crime, this assault on the very face of Democracy, he ridiculed me, my wife, and the Pushcart Prize mercilessly.”
I am not standing up for any particular kind of “artist,” Jim. I’m standing up for truth. “For twenty years I have labored in the small presses, seeing more rejections than he will ever know, and remain to this day almost completely unknown.” I guess I could shed a tear here! Jim, what sickens me about you and the poet mob is that nary a one of you has the brains and intellectual courage to even question the nominating process. Who da judges? Who da friends of da judges? Get it? Sadly, you do not. Open wide: Say Pushthecart, then whoopee, I’ve been nominated! “Talent,” Jim, is not an objective phenomenon. It is highly subjective in poetry… just as form and taste and all the other terms used by your ilk to crush valid criticism.
This, Jim, is as ignorant as it gets: “But if you want to have an ALL WHITE issue, start your own damn magazine and have one. No one is stopping you. See how many poets show up for it. You can count me out, for one.” Can you not even see the blatantly evident satire in that cartoon cover? Wow. Have they simply soddered PC blinders on to your skull? This too is laden with ignorance, Jim: “Somebody somewhere recognized someone else, rather than Slone, vigorous debater, the cornerstone of Democracy, and so he has to make sure somebody shits on their parade.” If you want to see bitterness: look in the fuckin mirror! I’m not bitter. I’m not even angry. I enjoy what I do, which is why I do it. I am compelled to do it. It’s intellectually stimulating to tear down the vacuous arguments of your ilk.
You can’t even understand my take on vigorous debate. All I seek is open doors to all opinions… happy face ones and bitter/angry/pissed off ones too. But you think democracy is only happy-face opinions. So many there are like you! An army of happy face clones seeking happy face recognition with happy face verse. Ugh. Democracy is already dead in America.
Jim, your thinking processes are rotten to the core. Is there any hope? Likely not. “It’s not like he’s going anywhere anyway as an artist.” Where the fuck am I supposed to be going? Up on to the Pushthecart stage of happy-face applause. I’m going under the freakin ground like everyone else in due time. That’s all. Dead. Fucking dead. Thus, since we only live once, I prefer to live in the truth as opposed to living in published, prize-winning happy-face fraudulence. That’s the diff between you and me and your wifey.
“Unprofessional” also! Whoopee me! But what the hell is professional. Why can’t you question and challenge all of these things you open wide and swallow? Professional means careerism and careerism means not living in the truth. Period.
Ah, Tim, nothing like a lifer real estate poet!
“Seems like we’d be right up his alley — but no one is,” you state about me. But why make such an asinine unfounded and untrue statement. Contrary to your mindsetted belief, I do have friends and supporters. “I’m not going to make ad hominem attacks, because he’d enjoy that too much,” you state. Should I laugh? You already did and have and cannot seem to do otherwise. Your whole argument is nothingness coated in names. Both of you fellows do not even counter my arguments. All you can focus in on is perceived wrong tone. Sad for you because you cannot think clearly. You’ve likely been taught not to think clearly and honestly. Your careers depend on it!
What’s your salary as editor, Tim? You still haven’t responded to that one!
This is really laughable: “Race comes up again and again in his writings for no apparent reason.” Mather’s damn right! If anything, race does not come up often in my writings… and that can easily be proven by simply checking the 1500 pages of essays I’ve produced. Want to try, Tim? I don’t even like the subject… it is tedious… thanks to PC.
Tim, that’s a good quote, but there’s more to it than “jones.” Look harder. The whole thing is written in black stereotypical jargon. How can you possibly deny it or not even see it? Wow. Mather’s on target and usually is… except of course when he’s lost his cool and battling with me (hahaha). And he’s a lot more in line with my thinking than he stipulates on your site. Or view it as I being a lot more in line with his thinking. Either way. Mather and I both know that we can never convince a PC mindsetted person of anything… and that means you, Tim. Call it “urban,” but heaven fucking forbid you called it BLACK. Christ, what did they do to you out there in California in the schools, man?
Tim, you need to lift yourself above the kinds of inane statements you make, as in: “But the real point isn’t in any of that, it’s in the way he latches onto race so immediately and consistently. If the anonymous professor had used a southern “y’all” or an Irish brogue, or a Canadian turn of speech, would Slone have mentioned it? No. Because he doesn’t use Southerner or Irish or Canadian as an epithet.” Again, I tend to avoid the racism issue because I find it a tedious, hackneyed one. “Obsession with race” on my blog? Well, why don’t you count the entries and determine how many of them deal with race. Go ahead, instead of talking horseshit. Do the stats. But you won’t because it’s a hell of a lot easier and lazier to call me names et al. Again, this is sheer horseshit: “Slone doesn’t like the Pushcart anthology, but I like reading it, so who cares? Especially when there’s nothing Slone DOES like.” I like plenty of things and authors and they’re up on my website. How did you get so proficient at saying nothing?
It just doesn’t get any more PC and archi-banal than publishing a tribute to African American poets!
“Pattern of behavior” my ass, Tim! Prove it. Do the stats! Out of 34 blogs, perhaps two dealt with racism. Is that a pattern? Oh, yeah, I forgot that in the PC mind, one constitutes a pattern!
Mather is not defending Slone—horror of horrors!—, he’s defending ideas I’ve put forth.
What you should have said, Jim, was Katja, why don’t you question and challenge the hands that feed you, the hands that bind your mouth, ears, and eyes? The stupidity is in your objectifying what must inevitably be subjective: being a good poet. You’ve got a list. Mather comes somewhere after Tim but way ahead of Slone. What nonsense! And by dissing cab drivers, you show yourself to be a bourgeois elitist. I’d take Mather any day over 500 college professors with PhDs. You have virtually made no “points” at all, Jim. What on earth are you talking about?
Mather, this is either a blatant lie or an error on your part: “I support Slone sometimes on his blog but he has refused to publish me anymore and we have had several long and ugly fights in the past.” And I can easily prove it. I have not refused to publish you and recently asked you to send something, but you said you hadn’t been writing much. Let’s get the facts straight, fellows!
Good poem on the Pushthecart nonsense, Dave! Uh, I heard you’re up to your old censoring impulses, Tim! Do try harder to quell them!
Perfectly stated, Mather: “You seem to be so upset because Slone put a quote of yours on his blog to illustrate a point. I’m sorry if you think you’ve been misunderstood, but if you write something and somebody quotes it and you look like an idiot, that’s not my fault. Be more careful of what you say if you’re so sensitive.”
Too bad, Sandee, doesn’t seem to have a brain. Perhaps, she has a body? Does she have any ideas at all?
Bull-s eye once again, Mather: “I think the quote by you on Slone’s blog is long enough to stand on its own. It’s seventeen sentences for Christ sake! I think you’re just embarrassed, and you know what, Jim? That’s ok…”
Mather, why are you sending Rattle $10? It is supported by bourgeois wealth, a foundation paying Tim a secret salary!
Now, I’m jealous, Mather! Why didn’t Jim say this about me: “you have all the social skills of homeless person mumbling to himself paranoid rants.” One really has to wonder what the educational system in America has been doing to produce the likes of Tim and Jim: “Or more to the point, don’t ask anyone to sit here and stomach your inane proclamations that you and Slone are the only people capable of free thinking and that you’re a hero standing up against the big bad machine.” Now, when did you and I ever make such a proclamation? These guys just say anything and don’t feel at all obliged to back up their vacuous assertions. They’d be crushed like gnats in a court of law.
Sorry, I never heard of Scalzi. Thanks for letting me in on who Hammond is.
Jim, get the freakin fact right! I never stated anything RE HB: “You went on to insinuate I was bragging about my Pushcart nominations when I wasn’t, while your American Dissident compatriot was calling me as hysterical as Halle Berry.” Christ. You and Tim would make wonderful scientists! This whole labeling of individuals as racist or non racist is all diversionary… away from truth seeking. Mather’s quite right with that regard. Just call him a racist and that anuls anything he says. How childishly facile. Best to you all.

]]> By: A Struggling Poet | Timothy Green http://www.timothy-green.org/blog/2009/06/a-real-caricature/#comment-580 A Struggling Poet | Timothy Green Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:06:12 +0000 http://timothy-green.org/blog/?p=838#comment-580 [...] that’s just been published by a good press and a full-time job in the poetry industry?  Or as G. Tod Slone puts it, “Why would you be a ’struggling poet’? Hell, the machine is paying you a salary, [...] [...] that’s just been published by a good press and a full-time job in the poetry industry?  Or as G. Tod Slone puts it, “Why would you be a ’struggling poet’? Hell, the machine is paying you a salary, [...]

]]> By: sandee http://www.timothy-green.org/blog/2009/06/a-real-caricature/#comment-579 sandee Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:47:56 +0000 http://timothy-green.org/blog/?p=838#comment-579 You guys are just being mean now and not at all constructive. You aren't going to convince one another of anything and you both are going to end up looking ridiculous if you don't stop right now. If you think for one minute about being mean to me now, I got no skeletons in my closet. Except for Spring Break '79 but I was cleared of all charges so... Seriously, let it go... Nobody will even remember what it was, just that you acted like that. You guys are just being mean now and not at all constructive. You aren’t going to convince one another of anything and you both are going to end up looking ridiculous if you don’t stop right now. If you think for one minute about being mean to me now, I got no skeletons in my closet. Except for Spring Break ’79 but I was cleared of all charges so…
Seriously, let it go…
Nobody will even remember what it was, just that you acted like that.

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