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		<title>By: Peter Joseph Gloviczki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Joseph Gloviczki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to Like It by Stephen Dobyns.</description>
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		<title>By: naperville mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>naperville mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lately, &#039;Insomnia and poetry&#039; by Erica Jong</description>
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		<title>By: Larina Warnock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larina Warnock</dc:creator>
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		<description>To some degree, I agree, Tim.  &quot;Stopping by Woods&quot; isn&#039;t my favorite Frost poem (&quot;Mending Wall&quot; is far superior, IMO), BUT it is the only poem in 100 years or so to be recognizable by both a literary and a general audience. Granted, this was published at the very beginning of the mass media era, but it continues to be read and known nearly 100 years later.  I think that if we&#039;re willing to recognize that there are preferences and tastes that don&#039;t match our own, we also have to be willing to look at the facts surrounding poems as we assess them.  We can say that it&#039;s a lame poem (it is) and that we don&#039;t like it (I don&#039;t really), but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that the majority would say it&#039;s stood the test of time and is a great poem.

My own list would include Dylan Thomas&#039; &quot;Do not go gentle into that good night,&quot; Wallace Stevens&#039; &quot;Sunday Morning,&quot; Elizabet Bishops &quot;One Art,&quot; and William Stafford&#039;s &quot;Great Blue Heron.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To some degree, I agree, Tim.  &#8220;Stopping by Woods&#8221; isn&#8217;t my favorite Frost poem (&#8220;Mending Wall&#8221; is far superior, IMO), BUT it is the only poem in 100 years or so to be recognizable by both a literary and a general audience. Granted, this was published at the very beginning of the mass media era, but it continues to be read and known nearly 100 years later.  I think that if we&#8217;re willing to recognize that there are preferences and tastes that don&#8217;t match our own, we also have to be willing to look at the facts surrounding poems as we assess them.  We can say that it&#8217;s a lame poem (it is) and that we don&#8217;t like it (I don&#8217;t really), but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the majority would say it&#8217;s stood the test of time and is a great poem.</p>
<p>My own list would include Dylan Thomas&#8217; &#8220;Do not go gentle into that good night,&#8221; Wallace Stevens&#8217; &#8220;Sunday Morning,&#8221; Elizabet Bishops &#8220;One Art,&#8221; and William Stafford&#8217;s &#8220;Great Blue Heron.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: E. Shaun Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Shaun Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a fan of much of D. H. Lawrence&#039;s poetry, but &quot;Snake&quot; is one of those poems that captures something universal, and does so with a vivid imagery that is &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt;. So much vivid imagery in poems these days smacks of contrivance, in my opinion. &quot;Snake&quot; transcends that.

I&#039;d pick Eliot&#039;s &quot;The Hollow Men&quot; over &quot;...Prufrock&quot;, personally.

Thomas Gray&#039;s &quot;Elegy Written In A Country Churchyard&quot; is probably a touch long for its own good, but it also captures something universally felt, and does it deftly.

How about &quot;Ozymandias&quot;?

And my personal bias probably colors this selection, but Auden&#039;s &quot;As I Walked Out One Evening&quot; has everything I&#039;d like to achieve in a poem. It captures a moment of apostasy even better than its visual art counterpart, Munch&#039;s &quot;The Scream.&quot;

Just a few that I think deserve the mantle of &quot;greatness&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of much of D. H. Lawrence&#8217;s poetry, but &#8220;Snake&#8221; is one of those poems that captures something universal, and does so with a vivid imagery that is <i>real</i>. So much vivid imagery in poems these days smacks of contrivance, in my opinion. &#8220;Snake&#8221; transcends that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d pick Eliot&#8217;s &#8220;The Hollow Men&#8221; over &#8220;&#8230;Prufrock&#8221;, personally.</p>
<p>Thomas Gray&#8217;s &#8220;Elegy Written In A Country Churchyard&#8221; is probably a touch long for its own good, but it also captures something universally felt, and does it deftly.</p>
<p>How about &#8220;Ozymandias&#8221;?</p>
<p>And my personal bias probably colors this selection, but Auden&#8217;s &#8220;As I Walked Out One Evening&#8221; has everything I&#8217;d like to achieve in a poem. It captures a moment of apostasy even better than its visual art counterpart, Munch&#8217;s &#8220;The Scream.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a few that I think deserve the mantle of &#8220;greatness&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, lots to look up!  Besides for Olds and Stafford, I&#039;m not familiar with any of those.

Cafais--I thought about listing Lowell, and &quot;Skunk Hour&quot; in particular, but every time I reread those poems I find that they sound better in my memory than on the page.  Jarrell&#039;s a good selection, and reminds me that I&#039;d probably add something by Wilfred Owen, either &quot;Dulce&quot; or &quot;Anthem&quot;.

Larina--I object to including &quot;Stopping by Woods,&quot; as much as I like Frost.  That&#039;s just such a lame poem -- and yeah, it&#039;s popular, but if we&#039;re going there, we might as well just pick songs by Dylan and the Beatles.  &quot;To Earthward&quot; and &quot;Out, Out--&quot; are my favorite, but both of them seem to me good but not great.

I think we&#039;re just done with poetry being widely read.  There are just too many alternatives.  Think about it:  100 years ago you couldn&#039;t listen to music on the radio; 150 years ago not even a phonograph, it had to be live.  Poetry had a huge niche to fill, and very little competition.  Now we&#039;ve got to compete with movies, music, video games, the internet.  The only way poetry will ever become mainstream again, as a consumed medium, is if an apocalypse turns back the clock 300 years.  And I don&#039;t want that happening.  So our only shot is to focus on that act of creation, rather than the act of consumption.  But that&#039;s the topic for a new post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, lots to look up!  Besides for Olds and Stafford, I&#8217;m not familiar with any of those.</p>
<p>Cafais&#8211;I thought about listing Lowell, and &#8220;Skunk Hour&#8221; in particular, but every time I reread those poems I find that they sound better in my memory than on the page.  Jarrell&#8217;s a good selection, and reminds me that I&#8217;d probably add something by Wilfred Owen, either &#8220;Dulce&#8221; or &#8220;Anthem&#8221;.</p>
<p>Larina&#8211;I object to including &#8220;Stopping by Woods,&#8221; as much as I like Frost.  That&#8217;s just such a lame poem &#8212; and yeah, it&#8217;s popular, but if we&#8217;re going there, we might as well just pick songs by Dylan and the Beatles.  &#8220;To Earthward&#8221; and &#8220;Out, Out&#8211;&#8221; are my favorite, but both of them seem to me good but not great.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re just done with poetry being widely read.  There are just too many alternatives.  Think about it:  100 years ago you couldn&#8217;t listen to music on the radio; 150 years ago not even a phonograph, it had to be live.  Poetry had a huge niche to fill, and very little competition.  Now we&#8217;ve got to compete with movies, music, video games, the internet.  The only way poetry will ever become mainstream again, as a consumed medium, is if an apocalypse turns back the clock 300 years.  And I don&#8217;t want that happening.  So our only shot is to focus on that act of creation, rather than the act of consumption.  But that&#8217;s the topic for a new post.</p>
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